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These are the lyrics to the Darryl Worley song "Have You Forgotten?"

Every time I try to shake off my disdain for country music, I see shit like this. Ignorant scumwad.

(Darryl Worley/Wynn Varble)

I hear people saying we don't need this war
I say there's some things worth fighting for
What about our freedom and this piece of ground
We didn't get to keep 'em by backing down
They say we don't realize the mess we're getting in
Before you start your preaching let me ask you this my friend

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

They took all the footage off my T.V.
Said it's too disturbing for you and me
It'll just breed anger that's what the experts say
If it was up to me I'd show it everyday
Some say this country's just out looking for a fight
After 9/11 man I'd have to say that's right

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

I've been there with the soldiers
Who've gone away to war
And you can bet that they remember
Just what they're fighting for

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

Have you forgotten all the people killed?
Some went down like heros in that Pennsylvania field
Have you forgotten about our Pentagon?
All the loved ones that we lost and those left to carry on
Don't you tell me not to worry about bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

Have you forgotten?
Have you forgotten?

Date: 2003-04-05 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] -solstyce-.livejournal.com
hmm. i sure haven't forgotten that day, but i am afraid that i definitely have a case of mysterious amnesia regarding the exact link between osama bin laden and iraq... oh well. they're not white or christian over there, so as a REAL american they should all look the same to me... i like big, big guns... [insert slack-jawed drooling]

Date: 2003-04-05 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grinninfoole.livejournal.com
The corollary, of course, is that real Americans should all look the same to others. This is why someone like you, who takes care to dress well but expressively, gets crap from strangers about it. I used to get that all the time as a boy, so I have grown up with my own enormous disdain for such matters. This does make grown-up life difficult sometimes, sadly.

Date: 2003-04-09 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crouchback.livejournal.com
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

There's your link. If you haven't heard of him, a quick Goole search will give you more.

At a bare minimum, he was in Baghdad, the Iraqi government knew he was there, and he walked away. Colin Powell mentionned him in his UN speech, but there's been a mysterious lack of attention to that by the press, IMHO.

Even if the publically available claims about al-Qaida links to September 11 are exagerrated or mere propaganda, it is beyond doubt that the Iraqi regime knew that one of the leaders of al-Qaida was sitting in Baghdad for at least a month. They did nothing to hinder him, even after a neighboring country asked for him to be arrested and extradited.

That alone is pretty damning-even if other claims are untrue.

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Date: 2003-04-10 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grinninfoole.livejournal.com
I don't find it damning. They didn't lift a finger to stop a guy to help us out--that's all that fact tells me. Set aside the particulars of Hussein's regime. Why would any government go out of its way to help another government when that government is its implacable enemy and has bombed your country repeatedly over the past decade? Sending al-Qaeda money, letting them set up bases, providing weapons or intelligence--that's a strong link. Letting one guy go about his business isn't. There could be more to it, I grant you, but if there is, why didn't Powell share? That would have gotten the rest of the world on board with this war (and me, for that matter). That he offered nothing else leads me to conclude that he had nothing else to offer..

Date: 2003-04-09 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crouchback.livejournal.com
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/

At a bare minimum, Zarqawi was in Baghdad and the now-defunct Iraqi government knew he was there, and let him go.

Date: 2003-04-05 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leftahead.livejournal.com
Crap.

I had something really pithy to say about this, but I forgot what it was.

Oh, well.

-Lefty

Date: 2003-04-05 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leftahead.livejournal.com
Hey-

Don't let it get you down. As much as I hate such ignorant, mouth-breathing, redneck, neo-fascistic mating calls myself, I just remember the words of Chris Rock when discussing rap music with White People: "Of course you don't like it. It's *not meant for you*."

I much prefer these shitkickers on TNN where we can keep an eye on them, and not sitting in a basement somewhere shoveling manure into the back of a U-Haul truck packed with propane bottles. If it makes you feel any better, you will never hear that song in the store as long as I draw breath.

-Lefty

Date: 2003-04-05 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grinninfoole.livejournal.com
From my cold, dead CD player!!!



I know you're right. And I know that I should be more careful where I heave my bricks. It's not just this song that makes me angry, though, it's his attitude about it and himself. Check out the transcipt of his appearance on Fox News with Hannity and Colmes. But take some dramamine first.

Date: 2003-04-09 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crouchback.livejournal.com
Nothing worse than Woody Guthrie put in the The Ballad of The Reuben James (http://www.sff.net/people/K-Mac/ballad.htm).

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Date: 2003-04-09 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grinninfoole.livejournal.com
That who put in what?

Date: 2003-04-10 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crouchback.livejournal.com
Woody Guthrie. Folk singer of rather extreme leftish persuasion.

Read the lyrics of the Ballad of the Reuben James. Compare.

The difference being, the sinking of the REUBEN JAMES by a U-Boat did not start a war.

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Date: 2003-04-10 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grinninfoole.livejournal.com
Having now read the lyrics, I fail to see the relevance of the comparison. When was the Reuben James sunk? Was it part of a supply convoy to Britain before our formal entry into the war? If so, so what? Insofar as I am aware, Mr. Worley is suggesting that 1)invading Iraq is an effective means of going after Osama Bin Laden (which is not impossible, but hardly supported by the evidence) and 2) folks, like me, who don't think that the war is a wise idea are suggesting that we 'shouldn't worry about bin Laden'. In fact, I myself argue that rather than seizing oil reserves, our strategic interests would be better served by concentrating our efforts on destroying al Qaeda. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised--the lure of empire is not often resisted.

Date: 2003-04-11 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] macropixi.livejournal.com
Woody Guthrie, folk singer. Wrote many songs including the one that goes "good morning america how are ya/ Don't you know me I'm your native son/"

Woody Guthrie also wrote (i believe) this land is your land.

He is the father of Arlo Guthrie, the writer and singer of such classics as "Alice's Resturant", "The Pause of Mr Claus", "The Motorcyle Song"

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